I loaned my Brummbars to Jason to make his list
HQ & 2iC Panzer IV
Bergpanzer
5 Panzer IV
3 Panzer IV
4 Brummbars
3 Mobelwagons
3 Hummels
I used the Estonian list with 3 tigers.
We played Encounter
I Kampfgrupped to 8 platoons, Jason to 6.
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Hummels Mobelwagons ----------------
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Pioneers 3 Tigers /
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/ 4 Pak 40s X
Grens with 2 Pak 40sX
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Jason deployed 3 Hummels, 3 Mobel Wagons, 4 Brummbars
I deployed the Grenadiers with attached Pak 40s, 3 Tigers, the pioneers and the 4 Paks.
I moved the tigers and pioneers forward. The hummels killed 4 pioneers on the 2nd turn (5 hits and 4 failed infantry saves). The Tigers and Brummbars got in a duel. Due to the hill slope I couldn't shoot them without getting close. The Brummbars won the duel, destroying 2 tigers in one turn and the other failed its morale save. My pioneers moved forward into the forest on the hill but were MGed to death when 5 panzer IVs turned up. The heroic panzerschreck had moved up with the CiC into the forest as well. It survived the panzer IVs shooting and destroyed a Hummel.
With my main attacking force gone I started to move the pak 40s forward on the right, hugging the river edge. The 5 panzer IVs and brummbars approached the Grenadiers. Due to a high number of panzer IVs bogging on the embankment, the panzer IVs were destroyed by assaults/Pak 40 shooting over 2 turns. The brummbars retreated.
As it was getting late we called it a draw.
In retrospect - I should have moved the pioneers and tigers into the middle forest and whittled Jason's force down. As long as I was spread out he couldn't get more than 1 Tiger under a Hummel template. The pioneers would have flamed and assaulted the Brummbars if they'd come too close.
Air power doesn't work very well against veteran opponents with mobelwagons.
Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Thursday, August 11, 2011
Estonian List
The Estonian pdf list has some special rules and attachment options that make the Estonians one of the most flexible axis lists with excellent ambushs. I used a 1000 point Estonian list successfully to win a tourament previously.
1000 points
HQ mortars, panzerschreck, 2xHMGs, 3 Pak 40s, two FT grenadier platoons, a full rifle pioneer platoon and a heer CV tiger. Because the HMGs and Pak 40s can be combat attached, the ambush platoon can be
7 stand R/MG grenadiers + attached mortars + panzerschreck + 2 HMGs + 3 Pak 40s.
In the last game of the tournament my ambush simultaneously destroyed a flame tank platoon, and put 26 shots + a mortar template onto a strelk platoon in the open.
The Estonian special rules are
For Estonia! - When defending in a defensive battle you may reroll failed company morale checks.
The Line must Hold - When defending in a defensive battle, after deployment you may move one platoon 16" within you deployment zone.
At 1750 points I am thinking of two options - The 3 tiger option and a 3 panther option
or
The Estonian force on the table in half on/half off missions will usually be
CiC + faust 40
Panzerschreck 25
Mortars 45
Grens + 2 Pak 40 + HMG 240
Pioneers + supply 235
3 Tigers 645
4 Pak 40s 215
Stukas 100
=1545/1750 deployed = 88%.
In fighting withdrawal - the platoons that can be withdrawn are all small.
1 x HMG + command (45 points)
1 x 3 stand grens (50 points)
1 x 3 stand grens (50 points)
1 x Pak 40 + command (55 points)
1 x panzerschreck (25 points)
Attacking with this list might be more difficult but it worked ok at 1000 points. I think it would have the most difficulty in a free for all and attacking in a no retreat mission.
Does anyone have any thoughts about taking a goliath instead of the supply truck? :)
1000 points
HQ mortars, panzerschreck, 2xHMGs, 3 Pak 40s, two FT grenadier platoons, a full rifle pioneer platoon and a heer CV tiger. Because the HMGs and Pak 40s can be combat attached, the ambush platoon can be
7 stand R/MG grenadiers + attached mortars + panzerschreck + 2 HMGs + 3 Pak 40s.
In the last game of the tournament my ambush simultaneously destroyed a flame tank platoon, and put 26 shots + a mortar template onto a strelk platoon in the open.
The Estonian special rules are
For Estonia! - When defending in a defensive battle you may reroll failed company morale checks.
The Line must Hold - When defending in a defensive battle, after deployment you may move one platoon 16" within you deployment zone.
At 1750 points I am thinking of two options - The 3 tiger option and a 3 panther option
| CiC,2iC | 40 | |
| Faust | 10 | |
| Knacker | 5 | |
| Schreck | 25 | |
| Mortars | 45 | |
| Grens | 135 | |
| Faust | 10 | |
| Grens | 95 | |
| Knacker | 5 | |
| HMGS | 65 | |
| Pioneers | 205 | |
| Faust | 10 | |
| Supply | 20 | |
| Pak 40 x 3 + trucks | 135 | |
| Pak 40 RSOs | 245 | |
| 3 Panthers | 600 | |
| Stukas | 100 | |
| 1750 | ||
or
| CiC,2iC | 40 | ||
| Faust | 10 | ||
| Schreck | 25 | ||
| Mortars | 45 | ||
| Grens | 135 | ||
| Faust | 10 | ||
| Grens | 95 | ||
| HMGs | 65 | ||
| Pioneers | 215 | ||
| Supply | 20 | ||
| Paks | 130 | CV | |
| Tigers | 645 | CV | |
| Pak 40s | 215 | ||
| Stukas | 100 | ||
| 1750 |
The Estonian force on the table in half on/half off missions will usually be
CiC + faust 40
Panzerschreck 25
Mortars 45
Grens + 2 Pak 40 + HMG 240
Pioneers + supply 235
3 Tigers 645
4 Pak 40s 215
Stukas 100
=1545/1750 deployed = 88%.
In fighting withdrawal - the platoons that can be withdrawn are all small.
1 x HMG + command (45 points)
1 x 3 stand grens (50 points)
1 x 3 stand grens (50 points)
1 x Pak 40 + command (55 points)
1 x panzerschreck (25 points)
Attacking with this list might be more difficult but it worked ok at 1000 points. I think it would have the most difficulty in a free for all and attacking in a no retreat mission.
Does anyone have any thoughts about taking a goliath instead of the supply truck? :)
Panzergrenadiers vs Strelkovy - 1750 points LW. Modifed cauldron.
My list was - Fortress Europe Panzergrenadiers HQ + fausts
Panzerschreck
2 x Panzergrens + fausts
King Tiger
4 Brummbars
3 Hummels
3 Pak 40s
Limited air support
Jamie's list was
HQ + sappers
2 x 2 platoon strelks. He attached the half the sappers to each and one had a flame thrower.
5 x KV-8s flame tanks (250 points!)
4 x Su-100s
GoW
Limited sturmovichs
something else that never turned up - SU-76?
We played a modified cauldron mission.
Attackers table edge
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/ 4 1 / S=Strelk
/ G / G=GoW
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/ 3 / x x x / 2 /
/ / x x x / S /
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Defenders table edge
This differs from the usual cauldron in that the defender deploys and places the objectives in a 2x2 foot box within their half of the table.
I deployed 2 pzrgren platoons and 4 brummbars
Jamie deployed the GoW and the 2 strelks.
The strelk with the flame thrower and 3 sappers was hiding in a forest in sector 2. The other strelk was hiding in a forest on top of a hill in the middle of the table. My deployment area had multiple hedges that blocked line of sight for infantry.
Turn 1 - I moved my infantry back so I wouldn't be assaulted and flamed on the first turn. My planes hit the strelk in sector 2 killing 4 stands and pinning them for the next three turns despite the Komissar reroll (ie 6 stands died because of the air strike).
Jamie got reserves and brought the flame tanks on. The Strelks stayed where they were. GoW failed to range in and Jamie planes turn up but were intercepted.
Turn 2 - 4 Apart from my stukas destroying 2 flame tanks I basically managed to do very little as I was trying to stay 10" away from the strelk in the forests and the flame tanks and still within range of the objectives. 1 brummbar was killed by air.
Turn 5 - No reserves arrived. Jamie assaulted and destroyed 1 panzergren platoon with the strelk from sector 2. The other strelk and the flame tanks moved up to assault the next turn.
Turn 6 - No reserves arrived. I tried to assault the strelk with the other panzergrens but Jamie's 6 shots of defensive fire hit 5 times.
Jamies turn 6 - Assault destroyed everything I on the table - 6-1 to Jamie.
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Thoughts on modified cauldron. I felt more boxed in than in the standard cauldron mission. Although the defenders deployment area is further back, the attacker can deploy up to the halfway point. Retreating backwards isn't an option.
However, I think my poorly designed list may have a bearing on my thoughts on the mission. The list that I was going to take to destroy Jamie's Radzveki list would probably have done better in this mission. I think the key to winning cauldron is for the defender to attack the attacker. For this to work it is best to have as much of the force on the table as possible. In this game I only used 895 points (51%) of my force.
Panzerschreck
2 x Panzergrens + fausts
King Tiger
4 Brummbars
3 Hummels
3 Pak 40s
Limited air support
Jamie's list was
HQ + sappers
2 x 2 platoon strelks. He attached the half the sappers to each and one had a flame thrower.
5 x KV-8s flame tanks (250 points!)
4 x Su-100s
GoW
Limited sturmovichs
something else that never turned up - SU-76?
We played a modified cauldron mission.
Attackers table edge
---------------------------
/ 4 1 / S=Strelk
/ G / G=GoW
-----------S--------------
/ 3 / x x x / 2 /
/ / x x x / S /
--------------------------
Defenders table edge
This differs from the usual cauldron in that the defender deploys and places the objectives in a 2x2 foot box within their half of the table.
I deployed 2 pzrgren platoons and 4 brummbars
Jamie deployed the GoW and the 2 strelks.
The strelk with the flame thrower and 3 sappers was hiding in a forest in sector 2. The other strelk was hiding in a forest on top of a hill in the middle of the table. My deployment area had multiple hedges that blocked line of sight for infantry.
Turn 1 - I moved my infantry back so I wouldn't be assaulted and flamed on the first turn. My planes hit the strelk in sector 2 killing 4 stands and pinning them for the next three turns despite the Komissar reroll (ie 6 stands died because of the air strike).
Jamie got reserves and brought the flame tanks on. The Strelks stayed where they were. GoW failed to range in and Jamie planes turn up but were intercepted.
Turn 2 - 4 Apart from my stukas destroying 2 flame tanks I basically managed to do very little as I was trying to stay 10" away from the strelk in the forests and the flame tanks and still within range of the objectives. 1 brummbar was killed by air.
Turn 5 - No reserves arrived. Jamie assaulted and destroyed 1 panzergren platoon with the strelk from sector 2. The other strelk and the flame tanks moved up to assault the next turn.
Turn 6 - No reserves arrived. I tried to assault the strelk with the other panzergrens but Jamie's 6 shots of defensive fire hit 5 times.
Jamies turn 6 - Assault destroyed everything I on the table - 6-1 to Jamie.
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Thoughts on modified cauldron. I felt more boxed in than in the standard cauldron mission. Although the defenders deployment area is further back, the attacker can deploy up to the halfway point. Retreating backwards isn't an option.
However, I think my poorly designed list may have a bearing on my thoughts on the mission. The list that I was going to take to destroy Jamie's Radzveki list would probably have done better in this mission. I think the key to winning cauldron is for the defender to attack the attacker. For this to work it is best to have as much of the force on the table as possible. In this game I only used 895 points (51%) of my force.
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